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Clean sessions with Ukrainian psychologists

James Lawley & Penny Tompkins

The following links are to a series of annotated transcripts of demonstrations from webinars with a group of Ukrainian psychologists and psychotherapists who want to use Clean Language and Symbolic Modelling to support themselves and their clients living through the ongoing trauma of war.

The aim of these sessions is simply to demonstrate Symbolic Modelling ‘live’. The annotation gives some idea of what we take into account in deciding which Clean Language question to ask, and when.
1. A Journey with whales

2. Coping with Un-safety

3. Starting to Feel the Movement of Life

4. From Pain to a Calm Clear Sky

5. Finding Words in a Spiral Galaxy

6. A Fire that is Good Enough


Penny and James book, Metaphors in Mind was the first comprehensive guide to Symbolic Modelling using the Clean Language of David Grove. An annotated training DVD, A Strange and Strong Sensation demonstrates their work in a live session. James has also written (with Marian Way) the first book dedicated to Clean Space: Insights in Space. Between them Penny and James have published over 200 articles and blogs freely available on their website:

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